I believe the jews' major influence is from their domination in the mainstream media

Yes, although I believe their control of our political and jewdicial systems are an even greater assertion of their current power. Of course the two go hand in hand, i.e. what the jew can't change by media innundation, he will change through the courts and vice versa.

But we must not forget that the holocaust is the jews' rationale for all of their current undue power and influence (the old "never again" crappola). It is also the excuse that Whites give for overlooking the jew spawned genocide that is upon us ("Well, they have suffered a lot, remember when Hitler tried to kill them all? It was horrible! I saw a documentary on the History Channel...").

If the White masses would simply disregard all the holocaust bs, then they would stop forgiving many of the jew's 'evil deeds,' and the jew's power would at least begin to dwindle.

just my $0.02

The most destructive way in which the holocaust is used is the way in which they constantly draw a correlation in people's minds between any kind or racial pride or caring about white interests with "the six million."

In any issue that may lead to white unity of any kind, the holocaust always gets thrown into the discussion. It is truly fucking pathetic, excuse the language and people eat it right up.

If you against immigration, if you recognize racial differences, If you do not support hate crime laws and speech codes, if you do not value diversity, in every way,etc.etc.etc. you are "an evil nazi." Oy vey! It is dangerous views like yours that led to the death of the precious six million.

I believe the jews' major influence is from their domination in the mainstream media, but little to do with holocaust history.

You're absolutely correct: the jew's major influence is exercised through their control of the media. But along with their control of our educational system, they employ media control not only as a vehicle to make muds look good while at the same time making Whites look bad, they also use it to brainwash the public into buying their version of the Holohoax, with absolutely no room for debate whatsoever. Did you know that more and more colleges, universities, and even high schools are making "Holocaust Studies" mandatory courses in their curriculums and that whenever the subject of WWII is brought up, the Holohoax, once considered a side issue of the conflict, has now become the primary focus of discussion in a chapter of history that claimed 50 million lives worldwide? And as I said, the Holohoax is not gradually fading into the past as happens with all other events in history, it's actually gaining steam and the jew has every intention of making it more and more central to American life, whether people give a shit about it or not. You simply just can't wish it away, the jew won't let you.

As both The Grocer and Odin have pointed out a helluva lot more concisely than I did here, the Holohoax is very relevant indeed to our current situation when you consider how the jew uses this lie to advance his agenda by silencing any and all critics with the "Never again!" and "Nazi!" ploys. If there were no "Holocaust" jewry wouldn't be in the position it is today of calling the shots and well on the way to acheiving it's goal of eradicating the "white cancer" plaguing the planet. The jew knows exactly what he's doing with the Holohoax gambit. Exposing the greatest scam ever pulled on mankind is actually only a relatively small part of all this -- it's the consequences of accepting the lie that's what is really crucial here.

It seems like Fritz, HG and Jim Crowe don't understand how mass mind control is implemented or even how everyday propaganda and advertising accomplishes its purpose. I think a euthanisia forum might be an appropriate final destination for them if results aren't attained in the re-education forum although Jim Crowe sounds suspiciously like the kike Hate Department who mucks up the 911 threads-in that case he gets a one way ticket to Auschwitz!
Every other poster on this thread has shown a clear understanding of how the holohoax and the kikenversion of 911 are used to further the jew agenda. Why the other three cannot connect the dots is not so clear-it might be a matter of not having enough information to process in order to arrive to the correct determination, it might be that they are simply naive, could be IQ related or maybe they are just slick antis.
For now, I'm going with the first one and since we don't have a re-education forum I hope they read the info on this link http://www.rense.com/general12/believe.htm to help them understand how opinions are molded and changed and I also suggest that they go back and read some of the old Dr Pierce writings on the subject.

It seems like Fritz, HG and Jim Crowe don't understand how mass mind control is implemented or even how everyday propaganda and advertising accomplishes its purpose.

Every other poster on this thread has shown a clear understanding of how the holohoax and the kikenversion of 911 are used to further the jew agenda. Why the other three cannot connect the dots is not so clear-it might be a matter of not having enough information to process in order to arrive to the correct determination, it might be that they are simply naive, could be IQ related or maybe they are just slick antis.

Personally, I believe their misunderstanding of just how vital the subject of the Holohoax is to us and it's relevancy to the advancement of White Nationalism is just that -- a misunderstanding, one that's quite common amongst lemmings. All three seemed to be focused on the nigger rather than the ones who have loosed these animals on us in the first place. But for the life of me, I just can't understand how you can be here as long as these people have w/o coming to the conclusion that it is indeed the jew who is the primary enemy and the real target we should all be taking aim at. Get rid of the jew and everything else will take care of itself. The nigger will be on a boat back to Africa and the mexican will have his greasy ass literally forced back across the border at gunpoint. It's that simple.

It seems like Fritz, HG and Jim Crowe don't understand how mass mind control is implemented or even how everyday propaganda and advertising accomplishes its purpose.

Uh, are you getting here that the only thing I was saying was that trying to reach out to lemmings by harping on the holocaust and 9/11 conspiracies is,IMO, ineffective? I understand quite well about the power of propaganda, and this is the reason for my opinion. I would say you don't it if you actually believe that talking about an event, that they have been spoon fed guilt about from as far back as they can remember, of many years ago, that they cannot see as having any direct affect on their life is going to "wake them up"

And when you start talking about 9/11 with all of your theories, they will put you in the same category as someone who talks about UFOs and alien abduction stories. At this point, they will tune you out.

A lemming by definition is extremely close minded and has to be appealed to on a level that they can relate to or have some immediate connection to. If you start immediately coming at them with "the holocaust was a myth" for example, again they are going to tune you out.

a misunderstanding, one that's quite common amongst lemmings. All three seemed to be focused on the nigger rather than the ones who have loosed these animals on us in the first place.

The nigger, the spic, these are the symptoms, this is correct, as I said, no one is going to care about the disease until they truly see the symptoms for what they are. Most people don't have the ability to grasp the bigger picture when they are hit over the head with it.

This is the problem as I also see it:

I think you might be using argumentum ad numerum, or since the majority of VNN'ers believe "X", then "X" must be believed by everyone or is the truth.

Get rid of the jew and everything else will take care of itself.

Everything would be perfect without the Jews is fantasy thinking. The jew being a problem to the extent that they are shows a problem with us, unless they are some sort of higher being and we are all a bunch of idiots.

Within the space of nine posts he goes from this:

Originally Posted by Jim Crowe
The holocaust or the official 911 story is pretty much irrelevant to white nationalism. Being concerned with either will not help the white race one way or the other.

to this:

The only folks that care about the holocaust are jews and white nationalists.

Using your logic the tapeworm that killed the lion is the higher being. The plague bacillus that destroyed a civilization higher still.

Jews are socially a highly evolved predator/parasite species of mankind. Western Civilization is fatally infested with them, fatally infected by them. That society which is so infected/infested must treat the disease, not just the symptoms if it will survive.

Everything would be perfect without the Jews is fantasy thinking. The jew being a problem to the extent that they are shows a problem with us, unless they are some sort of higher being and we are all a bunch of idiots.

That society which is so infected/infested must treat the disease, not just the symptoms if it will survive.

I do not disagree. But the symptoms and the problems they present are becoming more and more visible. This is what you need to be coming at people with. Most of the talk about the disease( the bigger picture) comes after you have reeled them in, and should not be your immediate focus.

And the problem within ourselves is not merely a symptom.

The nigger, the spic, these are the symptoms, this is correct, as I said, no one is going to care about the disease until they truly see the symptoms for what they are.

Everything would be perfect without the Jews is fantasy thinking. The jew being a problem to the extent that they are shows a problem with us, unless they are some sort of higher being and we are all a bunch of idiots.

ROFL! Your logic never ceases to amaze me. Shit like this is why I haven't taken your "argument" in this thread seriously. People such as yourself who are totally unaware of the impact of the Holohoax lie and it's direct connection to the empowerment of the jew are indeed the problem.

Later, kiddo. I've made my point.

Uh, are you getting here that the only thing I was saying was that trying to reach out to lemmings by harping on the holocaust and 9/11 conspiracies is,IMO, ineffective? I understand quite well about the power of propaganda, and this is the reason for my opinion. I would say you don't it if you actually believe that talking about an event, that they have been spoon fed guilt about from as far back as they can remember, of many years ago, that they cannot see as having any direct affect on their life is going to "wake them up".

I've had good success with one-on-one deprogramming but we shouldn't waste our time on hopeless cases-not all lemmings are created equal. I see lemminghood as being composed of two main parts: IQ and fortitude. There is an intersection of these two qualities for each lemming whereby, a smart lemming who has spine of jelly might be a harder nut for us to crack than a not-as-smart lemming with a lion-heart. If I had the time, I'd calculate a coefficient of lemminghood and set a threshold baseline for potential vs hopeless cases. From my own exprience I'd say the biggest problem is a lack of fortitude: most White people are pussies! But they will jump right to the winning side in a heartbeat. So, my answer to your post is that lemminghood is transient and they can be deprogrammed with an effort relative to their coefficient of lemminghood and we can only do that by giving them information.

And when you start talking about 9/11 with all of your theories, they will put you in the same category as someone who talks about UFOs and alien abduction stories. At this point, they will tune you out.

I've heard this one before and it is not true. You probably missed the online CNN poll a couple of weeks ago: 83% don't buy the "official" 911 story. Websites like http://www.rense.com and http://www.whatreallyhappened.com and http://www.antiwar.com get hundreds of thousands of visitors a day to read and support 911 truth.

A lemming by definition is extremely close minded and has to be appealed to on a level that they can relate to or have some immediate connection to. If you start immediately coming at them with "the holocaust was a myth" for example, again they are going to tune you out.

Try asking them about the jews-into-soap bars myth first. And if you ever find one that says they believe that, just fall down laughing. Otherwise ask if they don't believe that why do they believe any of the rest. Either way, it gives a good opportunity to move on to more disciussion.

The nigger, the spic, these are the symptoms, this is correct, as I said, no one is going to care about the disease until they truly see the symptoms for what they are. Most people don't have the ability to grasp the bigger picture when they are hit over the head with it

There is a lot of truth in this. It can be a long process but we must keep pounding away. Don't waste time on completely hopeless cases though.

It seems like Fritz, HG and Jim Crowe don't understand how mass mind control is implemented or even how everyday propaganda and advertising accomplishes its purpose. I think a euthanisia forum might be an appropriate final destination for them if results aren't attained in the re-education forum although Jim Crowe sounds suspiciously like the kike Hate Department who mucks up the 911 threads-in that case he gets a one way ticket to Auschwitz!
Every other poster on this thread has shown a clear understanding of how the holohoax and the kikenversion of 911 are used to further the jew agenda. Why the other three cannot connect the dots is not so clear-it might be a matter of not having enough information to process in order to arrive to the correct determination, it might be that they are simply naive, could be IQ related or maybe they are just slick antis.

Anyone that disagrees with anyone else is in need of "re-education" from that person's perspective.

Oh, and your such a genius? LOL

Anyone that disagrees with anyone else is in need of "re-education" from that person's perspective.

This is what I said: Could you explain how you arrived at this conclusion? I'll wait for your answer to see if you become my first nomination for the re-education camp.
I was waiting to hear you defend your positions to see if you have any valid points but you're being evasive. Why?

This is what I said: Could you explain how you arrived at this conclusion? I'll wait for your answer to see if you become my first nomination for the re-education camp.
I was waiting to hear you defend your positions to see if you have any valid points but you're being evasive. Why?

Look around. Whites don't give a shit about the holocaust. A year from now, whites will still not give a shit about the holocaust. They have got their own problems.

I have yet to run into one white person that has the holocaust even on the radar screen.

Look around. Whites don't give a shit about the holocaust. A year from now, whites will still not give a shit about the holocaust. They have got their own problems.

I have yet to run into one white person that has the holocaust even on the radar screen.

You're partially right Jim, most White people don't give a flying fuck about the holocaust, but the governments of White countries care a whole lot about the holocaust, and are very submissive to the holocaust industry. We Whites as individuals might not care about the holocaust, but Whites as a complete body of work are under the boot of the holocaust. Modern day jew influence/power is built on the foundation of the holocaust.